Different Matters: Dr Oliver Hartwich on Trump, Kaiser Wilhelm II and the unravelling of the rules-based order
Dr Oliver Hartwich
18 February, 2026
Dr Oliver Hartwich talked to Damien Grant on Different Matters about whether Donald Trump is driving the decline of the liberal rules-based order or is merely a symptom of deeper geopolitical shifts, drawing parallels between Trump and Kaiser Wilhelm II as leaders whose recklessness and disregard for the systems they found set the stage for crisis.
The discussion also covered the corruption they both see as a systemic risk to American democracy and its institutions, what the erosion of the rules-based order means for small trading nations like New Zealand, and why the trust being destroyed — both domestically and internationally — could take decades to rebuild. Watch below.